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Post by Watchman on Feb 21, 2006 18:45:45 GMT -5
People who proclaim a pre-tribulation rapture can only do so by twisting the writings of the Apostle Paul (see 2 Peter 3:16). They disregard the clear teaching of Christ:
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Jesus (Matt 24)
This is the rapture of the Church-
For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Revelation 22:15
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Post by Watchman on Mar 8, 2006 17:47:47 GMT -5
...we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Acts 14:22
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Post by Watchman on Mar 12, 2006 3:26:38 GMT -5
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
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Post by Shengy on Feb 17, 2007 21:19:19 GMT -5
I get what “eyesopen” is saying. How can the gospel be considered “good news” if we have to face the Tribulation? Where is the good in that? Therefore the good news must be that we won’t have to endure tribulation….right? Wrong! Yahshua says that we will have tribulation and it should be expected, but that we will be saved despite it.
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Also I have recently heard preachers on the radio say, “when the birth pains begin (wars and rumors of war) look up for your redemption draweth nigh” and the rapture is on the way, but if you read the scriptures it says,
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. AND WHEN THESE THINGS (6th Seal) BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:25-28)
What people don't get is that the 5th seal (the killing of Yahweh's people/Tribulation) comes BEFORE the 6th seal (the sign in the sun, moon, stars). When you see THESE things come to pass, then lift up your head (if you still have one) for your redemption is at hand. It is not an easy thing to accept but we must nonetheless except it if we are to be obedient to the Word and His plan.
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