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Post by brotherjerm on Nov 29, 2005 0:55:36 GMT -5
Could we please do a study showing us, we are predestinated to be vessels of God or vessels of destruction in hell fire.
I was just convicted a few days by the Holy Spirit ago of having a misunderstood salvation. I fought it for some time in the flesh wanting to give myself credit when I had none coming. My flesh fight it while my spirit told its truth. The scripture told me its truth. I believed I was saved by my choice, that Jesus died for all sinners. I didn't believe God created most people for eternal damnation, and created some to be called the sons of God. I conditioned my salvation on my choice "PLUS" Jesus' blood. Salvation comes from Christ "PLUS" NOTHING! Only those chosen will call upon the name of the LORD, and be saved....those given over to reprobate mind shall never truly call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. It says we are saved by grace through faith. Scripture says God gives us faith, its not our choice to have it, we just keep it once its given. We are saved by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ alone! His rightousness was imputed on His choosen(before the foundations of the earth were even laid), and their sin imputed on Him. After all Christ paid the full price not us. So how can we give ourselves credit for our salvation? That means we are putting ourselves up on a pedistool beside Jesus. Thats incorrect, Christ is above all, a name above all. He did it all....Christ died only for Gods Chosen elect. The election into grace.......to be called the sons of God.
I do however believe as my interpretation of scripture that after we accept Gods calling us into His election to be cleansed of all unrightousness by Christ's atoning blood alone by Gods choice. That then we have many choices and free will. We can chose to be obedient to the law, or disobedient. We just had no choice in our salvation...its was by Christ alone....not our quote "sinners prayer".
This is all new to me.......just when ya think you are getting to know scripture ya find out ya don't know squat....lol! God keeps us meek and humble thats for sure.
Of course if someone has scripture, not taken out of context to support free will salvation, please share.
Brother Jeremy
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Post by Watchman on Nov 29, 2005 3:29:01 GMT -5
Since we discussed this last, I have given this topic much prayer and study. This is the beauty of fellowship in the Spirit- we all grow and move forward!
The Church began with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at pentecost. Peter proclaimed the truth to all who were in Jerusalem. "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."
In Acts 13 we find that Paul and Barnabas were in Antioch, and Paul began preaching to the people there in a synagogue. At first their message was rejected by the Jews.
Acts 13:44-45 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
That's when Paul and Barnabas grew real strong in the things they said, and what they said was rejected by the Jews- some of the Gentiles believed!
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
The word ordination means "appointed." That is the way most modern Bibles translate it. Here's a quote from the Expositor's Commentary on this phrase.
"Who were ordained believed, suggests that belief in Christ is not a matter of one's faith, but primarily involves divine appointment."
That statement is not exactly correct, but it does at least acknowledge that something more than faith is involved in what we are today and what these people became, when this occurred in Antioch. The sovereignty of God is involved in what we are predestined to become—Christians. Now Acts 13:48 agrees exactly with Romans 8:29-30.
Romans 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Verse 30 includes predestination, along with justification, which we also firmly believe God gives and is part of the salvation process, and is this process not carried all the way to glorification? So we have predestination, justification, glorification.
Now if we're going to believe that we are justified by the blood of Jesus Christ, and this process goes all the way to glorification where we are transformed, then we also have to accept the fact that this verse says that predestination is involved in this process—that God foreknew us (i.e. He knew us before we were called) and He predetermined that He would justify us and that He would glorify us. We have to be consistent. Justification, glorification, and predestination (or divine appointment) is part of this process.
As we saw there in Acts 13:48, only those who were appointed to eternal life believed. There was something done to them by God that enabled them to believe. It was done to them by God because He predestined them. Now by this, I do not mean to imply, in any way, that every act of a person's life is predestined, but that God does summon some, and not others. That is obvious right from there in Acts 13, verse 48. Some He calls, some He doesn't.
We know this from our own personal experience. Someone can hear exactly the same message that you did, and it doesn't mean the same thing to them as it does to you. God does summon some to be saved. Some who are not going to be saved, He does not summon. Now doesn't the word "called" indicate a separation of one from maybe several, or many others?
One of the reasons this circumstance is controversial is because human nature does not take pleasure in being humbled to understand that salvation is far more an act of God than it is something that we have earned, because it is so good, and they have been so strong, and they have been so pure, and they have been so wise and so faithful, and loved God so deeply and searched so hard. Human nature is so perverse, that even in this, in the face of much evidence—vanity wants to take credit for what it simply has not deserved credit for.
Look at this in all of its stark reality that God shows through the children of Israel being chosen as God's covenant people—being freed from Egypt, the trek through the wilderness, and finally the making of it into the promised land. The only reason Israel made it was because of what God did. Had Israel not had God working in their behalf, the very best that they could have done was die in the wilderness, or return back to Egypt.
The principle of God's operation shown in this analogy is no different with us. Now, does God have every act of a person's life planned out in advance—that is, already predetermined? If that is so, where is free moral agency? If that is so, why do we need faith? If that is so, the need for prayer is greatly diminished, if it is even needed at all. If that is so, it seems to me that we would really be nothing more than a puppet on a string.
Predestination and free moral agency.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. He does not say there that some will not perish. He is saying that it is His will that they won't perish. However, we know that there is a lake of fire. Remember, He's not willing that any should perish—but there is a lake of fire! And Revelation 20 makes it very clear that there are going to be at least two people that are going to perish.
Now is there a contradiction here? There is a contradiction only if every act is already planned out. God makes it very clear that it is His will that we keep His commandments. But is He there forcing you to keep them? Not at all. That is our choice. A choice God wants us to make! But it's His will that we keep it. Just as true as that is, it is His will that nobody perish, and yet we know from God's word that some are going to perish.
Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].
If everything is already predetermined, why should we fear? Well, the answer is, everything is not predetermined. He's not willing that we should perish, but we are told to fear, lest we fall short—lest we even seem to fall short. The lesson here is taken from the children of Israel. God willed to give them the land of Canaan He promised to their fathers, However, many of the people chose to die in the wilderness through their disobedience. They didn't have to die there. He was fully willing to take them into the Promised Land at the end of the second year; but they chose otherwise. They chose to disobey and not go in at His command because they lacked faith, and because they lacked faith they feared the people of the land and decided that it was too fearful to go in there.
Their fear worked against them. As a result, God judged what they did and said that they would all die in the wilderness, and they wouldn't go into the land until that generation that disobeyed died. As it more literally says here, their bodies were strewn from one end of the wilderness to the other, because they chose to die in the wilderness.
Though God has willed that we have eternal life, and God has willed that we be in the Kingdom of God, we also have free moral agency. Therefore we must fear about the kind of choices we are making, because every act is not predetermined. Only the end result has been willed that this is the way that God wants it to be.
Philippians 2:12-13 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Now, "work out your salvation" does not mean, "work for salvation." There's a big difference there. If it meant, "work for salvation," then it would mean that we were earning salvation. It does not mean, "work for salvation." What it means is, take what God has given you to its logical conclusion.
God gave Israel liberty from Egyptian slavery, but that operation was not complete until they trekked across the wilderness and were in possession of the Promised Land. So what did they have to do? They had to walk there. They were working out the salvation that God made possible. God gives us both the desire to be motivated and the power to accomplish what is God's pleasure. Please make sure that we understand that. It is He, through His Spirit, who gives us the desire and the power to accomplish His will.
Romans 9:18-23 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Predestination again.
Romans 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Is God fair? This subject is dealt with in much detail in the book of Job. That question is implied in virtually every question, or every statement of Job. "Why am I going through this?" "What have I done to earn this?" "God is not fair in what He has done." And so Job constantly justifies himself. And indeed, brethren, he wasn't guilty. The lesson is that God has the right to do with anybody what He wants to do—even somebody as upright, as righteous as Job.
Job hadn't earned what he was going through, and so his friends kept telling him that he was a great sinner, and Job kept saying that he wasn't, and so he gave a recounting of all the good deeds that he gave to others. Job was an unusual man. God put him through that tremendous test. God was so confident of Job. He put Job into Satan's hands for Satan to do anything he wanted to do to him, short of death, to try to get Job to crack. Job didn't crack, but he sure wondered.
Those experiences are recorded so that we would understand that asking whether God is fair, is the wrong question, because God has every right to do what He does. The more basic question for us is, "Doesn't God have the right to do as He pleases? " That's the question. It's a very positive one. God created us. He gave us life. We were created to worship Him!
Our lives are sustained by what He did and what He still does, and gives generously. In addition to that, it was He who released us from our spiritual bondage, forgave us through Christ's blood, gave us His spirit, and gave us access to Him. We belong to Him. Sometimes we seem to have little or no concept of what being a slave, or a servant to God (or as Paul says in Romans 6—a slave or servant of righteousness) translates into, in practical everyday life.
He is ordaining some to eternal life. The vast majority He is not ordaining. He is not giving them the grace to believe. He is not giving them the faith.
Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
In Elijah's day, Israel was almost totally given over to idolatry. Remember him saying, "How long halt you between two opinions? If God be God, worship Him; and if Baal, worship him."
Elijah also had to do battle with the priests of Baal. Besides that, he had Jezebel as a very high-ranking and it seems personal enemy—so much so that he felt that he had to flee for his life. Elijah got all discouraged, feeling totally alone fighting this battle, he felt, in God's behalf. But God's answer to him was, "Elijah, you're not alone. I have reserved for myself seven thousand men." God wasn't restricted to working through Elijah. God had His own thing going on elsewhere that Elijah was totally unaware of. God didn't need Elijah's help at all.
Who those seven thousand were that God had raised up, I have no idea. It's not important. I bet you that was pretty humbling for Elijah. "Oh, I'm by myself. No, I'm not by myself. God doesn't need me. I've been so zealous here. God, you owe me something. No, you don't owe me anything. I had better bow down to you. You're the one that's sovereign." I tell you, that pricked Elijah's balloon in a hurry and put him back to where he could be used in a way that would be better for God's purpose.
I Corinthians 1:26-29 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence.
In Deuteronomy 7 God said that He didn't choose Israel because they were high and mighty and great and the most of all people, and the strongest and the best. He chose them because they were the weakest. God follows that pattern. And so, two times here, in I Corinthians 1:27 and again in verse 28, it specifically says God has chosen. We didn't volunteer.
Notice how clearly He makes the point that He didn't choose us on the basis of any quality within us. "Not many wise; not many mighty; not many noble." Instead, God, with forethought, predestined the foolish, the base things, the despised—things that are nothing. What a rag-tag outfit we are! God certainly hasn't surrounded Himself with the elite in order to give Himself any kind of advantage in this battle against Satan, in this battle against the world, or in this battle against ourselves here.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
If you are seeking this Truth you have not been appointed to stumble. God wants you in His kingdom. He has ordained you to eternal life. He has predestinated you to be there.
All that remains for us is to work out our salvation, choosing to do His will.
I Peter 2:9-10 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Brethren, humility begins when we have a proper recognition of who and what we are in relation to the sovereign Creator. In addition to that, this tends to fine-tune our relationship to fellow man—both called and uncalled alike. Humility is shown by the choices we make, and our choices will largely be determined by our willing recognition of the immense value of, and the love of God's revelation of Himself to us. Glory in this and PRESS ON!
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Post by John on Dec 18, 2005 0:14:37 GMT -5
Hey, I think you are wrong. Jesus DID die for everyone. It just depends on whose hearts have been hardened too much for them to come around and see God's light and accept His truth and His grace. It's not that we choose to be saved, because yeah, that would be giving ourselves credit where it's not due. It's that we choose to accept His grace, and He gives us that choice because He loves us -- that was the whole poing in Jesus dying on the cross. And His grace is available to anyone who will accept it, if they're hearts aren't hardened to the truth. I don't believe in a god that would pre-choose those who will become his vessels and automatically reject everyone else without even giving them a chance to repent. God is not the captain of a kickball team, choosing whos gonna be on His team and leaving everyone else behind. God doesn't do that. That's not truth. That's not grace. God loves everyone (John 3:16), and gives everyone their lifetime to repent of their sins and start following Him. That, my friend, is God's grace and unconditional love.
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Post by travisc on Dec 18, 2005 1:04:42 GMT -5
Romans 9: 9-20 " For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? "
There are a few words that jump out at me in these scriptures. foreknow, called, predestinate, God's elect.
What other way can we interpet these scriptures other than what they say?
God's elect- we can't elect ourselves, can we john?
called-can you call yourself?
"Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
"13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid."
quit you like men, travisc
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Post by Watchman on Dec 18, 2005 18:32:01 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, John. You said "I think you are wrong". See this is the problem- what you 'think' is your opinion, it is peoples opinions which have brought in 'damnable doctrines', to people with 'itching ears'-your opinion does not line up with what the bible clearly says! Don't rely on what you have been taught - seek the truth with your own eyes. Ask yourself if what you believe is backed up by scripture. Do you believe another gospel? Have you accepted another Jesus? Have you added paganism into the worship of the True God? This is an abomination to Him- the way of the heathen. The True God is found in His Word!
To continue where Brother Trav left off-
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Romans 9:21- 23
The God- YHWH the ALMIGHTY- of the Bible is not the one they taught you in sunday school! HE can only be found with as humble spirit of repentance and childlike trust- this is when the TRUTH is known- this is when we can be obedient and follow in the footsteps of our Lord Yeshua! Jesus Christ!
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; 1 Peter 1:18 Before repentance, our "love" for God was like what the uncalled in the world have for Him to this day. We loved a concept of God given us by tradition. We even had some part in devising it because we really did not know Him. If we acknowledge this reality, we will discover it was an idol! In principle, it was tantamount to bowing before a statue just as the ancient pagans did. Those in the world cannot enter His Kingdom until they worship the true God. It is also why God says in such verses as Ezekiel 37:6, "I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the Lord."
The God of the Bible says in His Word that not a single person has ever known Him until He chose to reveal himself because before this happens no one knows what to look for in God. Both testaments say, "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God" (Romans 3:10-11; Psalm 14:1-3).
Some people like to say they have always believed God, yet what they believed was an idol, a syncretistic god devised by combining biblical truth and paganism. If what they say were true, Acts 18:27 could not also be true. We believe because faith is God's gift. We have what we have only because we are the objects of His choice. He chose the ones He did simply because He chose them. We can go no further. We have no claim to any praise in this regard. Instead, it should humble us, stun us, into overflowing praise, gratitude, obedience, and zeal that He has given so much to those so undeserving to receive it.
Humility begins when we properly recognize who and what we are in relation to the sovereign Creator and to fellow man, called and uncalled alike. We show humility by the choices we make, and these will largely be determined by our willing recognition of the immense value of God's loving revelation of Himself to us. BTW- I NEVER implied that Jesus did not die for the sin's of the entire world. Re-read my entire post with an open heart and you will see that it is the truth!
But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 1 John 2:20
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Post by brotherjerm on Dec 19, 2005 17:24:44 GMT -5
This is EXACTLY what the Comforter has been showing me to Brother Sean. We are saved by grace through faith. Well I use to think we got faith from...well.....basically our own rightous decision. But wait...we have NO rightousness except what Christ imputed unto us. Scripture clearly tells that faith comes only from God, not us. Faith is a gift of God. How can one honestly read with an open heart Romans 8 and 9 (there are literally thousands of predestination verses scattered throughout the bible but all one really needs to convict them of the true full Gospel is Romans 8 and 9) and disregaurd the truth? The truth is we are saved by Gods choice not our choice. That simple, God chose His elect way before they called upon His name to be saved. What do these words from scripture mean, John......CALLED.....ELECTED.....PREDESTINATED.....AFORE PREPARED.....CHOSEN..... ?? Can one do any of these himself? NO you cannot chose yourself, you cannot elect yourself, you cannot call yourself, you cannot predestnate yourself, and you cannot afore prepare yourself. UNDERSTAND...? Heres a copy of what I just wrote on another forum I was forced to leave to be obedient to YHWH, had to at least get some gospel in there before I left.......... Keep in mind fellow followers of Yeshua we must do good works, we must show our faith by our good works, we must continue by good works.....BUT ALL of our works are but filthy rags in the eyes of the Lord. WE ALL deserve hell fire! We are saved by NO works, even though we must do them. We are SAVED by GRACE ALONE. Grace is something God gives His elect, His chosen, His called, His predestinated, that they sure didn't earn /deserve/ or free will choose to have. We are saved not of our choice because that is a work. We are saved because God chose us as vessels of mercy. We are saved because God called us into His election of Grace. We had nothing to do with our intial salvation, we just accepted our calling. Our free will plays in after salvation to be obedient or not to be obedient. We are not saved by the Lords prayer or our free will. We are predestinated and CALLED to glory. Please read Romans chapters 8 and 9 very carefully with the an open heart. It shows that we are not saved by our choice /our free will.....BUT we are saved by Gods choice /Gods will. God is the potter, He owns the clay, He can do with it/us as He pleases and its perfectly fair. He makes vessels fitted for destuction and very few vessels of mercy. An Holy nation, a royal priesthood, a REMNANT. Its nice to get at least one kind response while I was here. Thank you Truthseeker. Keep praying and seeking the truth.......AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! Messanger of Yeshua; Brother Jeremy ----- "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory," (Romans 9:21-23) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way John do I know you? Are you my friend Jasons pastor? A humble servant of the church; Brother Jeremy
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Post by eyesopen on Dec 19, 2005 18:11:58 GMT -5
Mr John wrote: "I don't believe in a god that would pre-choose those who will become his vessels and automatically reject everyone else without even giving them a chance to repent."
If you statement is true- which it obviously is- you believe in a god other that the One True and Living God of the Bible! You belive in a false god, one set up by the god of this world! Get right, Brother! Read God's WORD!
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Post by Watchman on Dec 19, 2005 21:26:25 GMT -5
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek YHWH: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged. Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him. Isaiah 51:1-2
Thus saith YHWH, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith YHWH: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Hear the word of YHWH, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, "Let the LORD be glorified": but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed. Isaiah 66:1-5
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Post by Watchman on Dec 22, 2005 1:55:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we are all in agreement that we have free will to chose the calling of God. This is where many are mislead- they only see either side, not the balance of both. They either believe God controls all actions of man, or that everything revolves around man's choice.
I am not a 'Calvanist'. He was a man of evil. You speak the TRUTH about whad God's WORD says about predestination, and immidiately you are a 'Calvanist'. I rely on what the Holy Spirit leads me to understand. Here a little, there a little. Satan's lies are found among God's truth in modern theology. Many things hold truth, yet at the same time deceive - So many squabble over the tittle- and they miss the awsome POWER of worshiping the one TRUE GOD! They do not understand Him of his Plan! I know this- Lucifer is the lightbringer- his ministers angels of righteousness- I know what I know by the Word of God which burns like FIRE in my bones! All that is of importance is to purify ourselves, repent -!
BEHOLD THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH!
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